(announcer) flavors this delicious are worth searching for. friskies. feed the senses. s president obama hits the road for jobs. congress heads home and the right wing, they're still clueless. >> this foreign born -- >> that nut case was more powerful in that room than the members of congress. >> young black americans are the most violent group in this country by far. >> their deep injustices we must address. >> racism in america. for it to be so blat abbott. >> that's right. jay-z, america is blatantly racist. that's why you're a multimillionaire.

>> policy wise, zilch, zero, nada. >> i don't want to go through the same old arguments where i propose an idea and the republicans say no because it is my idea. 40 meaningless votes to repeal obamacare is not a jobs plan. >> who do you want to die in america with breast cancer? >> it is an aimless congress. >> the country is hanging by a thread here. >> we begin with a look at the ongoing right wing vitriol that has been spewed in what should be an opportunity for a sincere conversation about racism in america. the three top agents of intolerance, bill o'reilly, sean hannity and rush limbaugh continue to oopinion about the

virtues. offering insulting diagnoses from crime to teen pregnancy to race. o'reilly went so far to say jay-z' wealth is evidence that america is post racial. he even took it upon himself to explain black culture to the naacp's senior vice president. we here thought their rhetoric should be called out for what it really is. >> the hustlers come in and start to demonize america, lying about it, saying that white people want to hurt black people. >> if any race of people should not have guilt about slavery, it is caucasians. >> the race hustlers and their sympathize descended into the gutter. >> the president saying trayvon could have been me 35 years ago. this is a particularly helpful comment. is that the president admitting that, i guess because what? he was part of the gang and did he a little blow? >> young black men often reject

education and gravitate toward the street culture, drugs, hustling, gangs. >> 61 people died in chicago and i have their names right here. >> my sincere belief is that the african-american community is being devastated by the collapse of the family. white people don't force black people to have babies out of wedlock. >> it is to perpetuate the myth within the black community that all blacks remain helpless victims of white supremacy. >> you got that? that means it is all in our heads. with me now, executive director of color of change, rashad robinson and tim wise. thanks to you both for joining me. you know, guys, the vitriol aside, one of the things that strikes me is that time and again, these are the voices that we hear on the right wing. we never hear the establishment

or rashad, the gop leadership coming out saying, hey, wait a second. that's too far. that's not right. certainly now that they're supposed to be this autopsy. they're supposed to be reaching out to people of color. where is the leadership? >> this is an ongoing problem for the gop. that they let their entertainment lead them. these folks are entertainers. they consistently play to the fears of white folks. oftentimes people who are facing economic challenges and play to the fears and try to drive folks apart. in a country where we should be looking to our elect leeds, the folks in the middle, moderate republicans to lead, to stand up, to push back. what we're seeing is complete silence. it will be an ongoing problem as the rising american electorate as people of color change the voting bloc of this country. >> i feel like the right wing conservatives are trying to have it both ways. if you think back to when rush

limbaugh called sandra a slut, nobody had the courage to denounce him. you could hear from the republicans. publicly they would say, well, they're entertainment. that's over there. the truth is, and i've had conversations with conservative friends in washington who privately are tell you when you say how come nobody is coming out to defend this poor girl. you know we can't speak against rush. it is like they're trying to have it both ways. >> not just that. the reality is this fear, it sells. if you have a country that's demographically changing so that in 30 years, it will be about 50/50 white and people of color. if you have a popular culture that is already thoroughly multicultural and white folks' economic anxiety apparently finally catching one the black and brown folks who have always had, what better way to scare white folks with the future than to lie. for example, to lie about out of wedlock births in the black community. do you know what the fact is? the fact is that the birth rate for unmarried black women has dropped by 30% since the early

'70s by half for teenagers. so they're not even telling the truth. or with crime. chicago, yes, has been an outlier. and that's a horrible thing to talk about. violent crime nationwide, it is down significantly in the last 20 years. in the early '70s, it was three times higher than it is now. in washington, d.c. it is at the lowest rate in 50 years and black men had a greater chance of dying from homicide now than in 1950. so this indicates the folks them don't hang out with black people. and jesse lee peterson doesn't count. they don't go into black communities. they're not getting pushed back because sadly we are a nation that hears those statistics that the right uses and we haven't taught ourselves how to fight them. >> you're exactly right. this is something that frustrates me all the time. there is such ignorance. not just from the statistics that tim was talking about. they have no idea. and this was true when we were talking about the war on women.

we talk about gay people. you name it. they have no idea how people are living their lives in 2013 america. they have no idea some of the systemic and historical reasons that things are the way they are. they have no idea. they don't really care what the facts are. they go out there and spew this venom. and then turn around and say that the president is the one who is trying to divvied the country. >> this is the game. you absolutely are right. they don't care about the facts. the facts will not serve the results that they want. the results that they want is to continue to push for greater corporate power. to push for the wealthest americans to not pay their fair share. to push for the greater militarization. their goal is a goal to continue in a state where wealthy folks don't have to pay their fair share. tad that, they have to tell this story. this story of race. of the people who are the

have-nots having put themselves there. that's a story that we not only see from the right wing but we oftentimes see coming out of popular culture as well. >> that is that otherizing. we were talking about violence. this newfound interest in black on black crime. o'reilly loves to play the violence card. let's take listen. >> the problem in the violence in this country isn't generated by whites. it is generated primarily by blacks. the culture that we have in this country does lead to criminal profiling. because young black american men are so often involve in crime. when presented with damning evidence and in chicago where hundreds of african-americans are murdered each year. the civil rights industry looks

the other way or makes excuses. >> this tactic of, it is all in our minds. really we should be listening to bill o'reilly. this tactic goes back to the early 20th century in the new york tame op ed, the historian wrote that the violence card perpetuates the reassuring notion that violence against black people is not society's concern but rather a problem for black people to fix on their own. so essentially, he said talking about black on black crime. that is not an excuse to not talk about racism. but also, it strikes me that what they're doing is putting it, it is y'all's problem. further creating more divisions rather than saying, this is an american problem. >> and let's be honest about this issue. when we use a phrase like black on black crime but we don't use the phrase, white on white crime which 92 playerly is four to five, it is four to five time more white on white crimes than black on black crime.

we don't use the phrase. so this suggests this sths isn't about dealing with crime of it is about labeling peel as criminals. when o'reilly says this criminal, the disproportion of crime among black men which is true statistically. that somehow that justifies racial profiling. let's look at new york city. the stop and frisk policies in that city which stop 80% of the time people of color. in 95% of those cases they don't even give a citation because they find no evidence of illegalality. less than 2% of the time do they find drugs. this is not good crime control. this is state control of people who are overwhelmingly innocent. that is a blat an unfairness and it is unconstitutional as per that little thing called the equal protection clause which sits there right in the middle of the 14th amendment. i assume bill o'reilly has heard of it. >> he actually said everybody is protected equally. there are no problems. it is all in our heads. aware making this up. the other thing that they

continue to say that really got my back up this week was that leaders are ignoring problems in the african-american families and communities. the thing is, although they very rarely actually cover the president in its entirety, the president has been talking about these issues for a very long time. let's take a liberty. >> go into any inner city neighborhood and folks will tell you that government alone can't teach our kids to learn. they know that parents have to teach. >> for the african-american community, that path means embracing the burdens of our past without becoming victims. >> the children had a grow up without a father are more likely to live in poverty. they're more likely to drop out of school. they're more likely to wind up in prison. in too many neighborhoods today, in chicago or the farthest reaches of rural america, it can feel like for a lot of young people, the future only extends to the next street corner. so may whole life, i've tried to

be for michelle and may girls what my father was not for may mother and me. i want to break that cycle. where a father is not at home. >> the president talking very he will beganly time and again about these issues. >> not just the president but we see it from black ministers around the country. we see it from folks working in communities to make their communities better. fox news and these entertainers on the right have no interest in bringing us together. in finding common ground. in having a real dialogue around race that we desperately need in this country to deal with the aftermath of this zimmerman case but also the ongoing way that race impacts our lives. >> i would take it a step further and say they financially benefit by keeping us di i'ded. there is a much larger power complex and people are making a profit off this. thank you so much for joining

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is pushing for more and more cuts to the very programs that are designed to help people improve their lives. let's take paul ryan, for example. he has no problem cutting assistance for poor people but he also offers no alternatives to those cuts. as he admitted to nbc news last week, he doesn't even have one. take a listen. >> i don't think we have a full fledged agenda yet. we need to do more listening with people who are in the trenches fighting poverty. >> this is a guy who by the way was on the campaign trail last year. so ryan held a hearing on the progress. war on poverty. and yet how many poor people do you think from the trenches were there? zero. here's the bottom line. o'reilly and the gop are a lot of bark but no bite. they attack these problems but they don't offer solutions. and by now, these problems have been built into the very structure of our society.

to talk about this, i'll bringing in our two guests. thanks to you both. >> thanks for having me on. i want to start with the politics. the food stamps issue we've been talking about, the food stamps situation. the gop's plan is to cut $40 billion in cuts. $5.1 million eliminated from the program. you contrast that with their rhetoric. it doesn't quite match up, does it? >> no, it doesn't at all. frankly when i heard about paul ryan's tour that he wants to take in inner cities, i really think that's about collecting a number of photo ops to inoculate himself from the 47% for a future presidential run. paul has written his philosophy down and he basically really feels that we need to restructure our safety net to the point where we really will

be hurting people terribly. so he believes that we don't need government programs, that churches and nonprofits should play that role. that essentially six disand tax breaks should be given to the wealthy will. >> as i understand it, the data has shown the private sector can't make up the difference from what the government does. you know, the atlantic magazine took a look at how the republican constituents ril pacted by food stamp cuts. republicans plan to offer plenty of food stamp recipients. but not nearly as many that they would have to worry about them at the polls. which again, congresswoman, this feel like this is about politics. this is about, and it shows the schism between the rhetoric in the house and some of the rhetoric in the senate. >> absolutely right. they do represent plenty of poor people. but at the same time, they're also trying to do everything they can to restrict people from voting. because they know ultimately, you know, they could be in trouble in that way. i really think that it is sad.

if you look at the amendments they attach to food stamps that would essentially say if you've been a pedia phile or a murderer, it shows the contempt. they don't recognize the majority of the poor work. they have jobs. they just don't earn enough money to provide all their expenses. >> it is so disconnected. they don't understand how it works. in an historical context, we're talking about food stamps. it goes much deeper than that. the reasons for the kind of inequity that's we've seen today. that people are trying their hardest to pull themselves up by their boot straps. to some degree, there is a real historical contexas to why that is much harder than the simple broad brush we hear from the right. >> i think it is really important to understand that history and it is so clearly missing in this rgs could have. for example, let's talk about housing.

if you think about the fact that most americans count their house as one of their best assets and the appreciation is something they rely upon. particularly if they want to fund a child's education, for example, to go to college. if you think about the gi bill and the benefits that so many veterans got to help them buy housing, over a 30-year period from the mid 30s to the 1960s, the federal government spent $1.2 billion to help mostly white veterans purchase homes in suburban communities that were segregated by racial covenants. the fha had racial restrictions in those loans that created white suburban communities and confined black and latino and other people of color into urban communities warehousing properties depreciate '80. that made all the difference for some people in material of being able to send their kids to college. most people don't know that history. >> and they also don't, as

you've pointed out. they don't know the history but they also don't understand what does that mean in the modern context. what has that led to given where we are now. and there is such an oversimplification. bill o'reilly has gone on and on about black on black crime. it is another area where i think frankly he oversimplifies. now, back in january, we heard mr. o'reilly's solution to guns, not to ban them but dealing with sentencing. take a look. >> obviously, the gun ban in chicago doesn't work. do we all get that? what would work is a ten-year mandatory federal prison term for anyone convicted of any gun crime in the windy city or anywhere else in america. rob a 7-eleven with a gun. ten years in the federal pen. ill left fieldly possess a gun, same deal. ten years. that's how you keep guns off the

street. >> and you know, congresswoman, from a pr standpoint, that sounds good. but think, when i think about what happened with the drug sentencing. that did not work. and there was no thought to the fact that these kinds of laws would be disproportionately affect african-americans or people of color. we've got it on the screen. 2.3 million incarcerated. total african-americans incarcerated, nearly 1 million. the rate of incarceration for african-americans, nearly six time the rate of whites. it is not as simple as to say, let's just broad brush, apply one solution. >> no. absolutely not. and i think that bill o'reilly seem to have degenerated into just hate speech almost. and i think that that is really too bad. we have a long history in this country of inequity when it come to the criminal justice system. we went through the drug war. to talk about the

disproportionality. we know that african-americans and whites use drugs, actually white folks use drugs a little more than african-americans. but yet the sentencing and the arrests is completely disproportionate. a the love it is a class issue in terms of who can get legal representation. like the other guests who said, people are not interested in history. this is an ideological fight. it is a political fight. and it is winning brownie points on where we allocate the government's resources. because unfortunately, the republican party that is in power right now really doesn't believe that the government should provide any resources for poor people. because poor people are poor because it is their own fault. there is plenty of jobs. they just won't go feigned them. and also because people are living too comfortably on government support. so you know, in your last segment, you talked about people not having a clue about race. but they also do not have a clue about which is a. they don't have a clue as to who

the poor are or how poor people live and the fact like i said before, the majority of the poor work. they have jobs. >> and i want to switch, we have just a little time left. i want to talk about that. one of the other places where we see great inequities is with regard to health care. the gop wants to defund obamacare. they voted a 40th time just yesterday. i was interested in what you have done at spellman college, recognizing the needs of your students and trying to figure out what you can do. can you talk a little about that program? >> sure. we call at this time wellness revolution. what it is is a campus wide wellness initiative encouraging students to eat better, move more, sleep well. the three pillars of health. recognizing this is a generation that has been highly sedentary. we know from nih studies and others that for example, black women, the demographic that we serve at spellman, half of them are coming to us from high school having been pretty sedentary without pursuing any physical activity.

leisure physical activity at all. there are a lot of reason for that. if you live in an area where it is not safe to be outside, you won't spend much time walking. we know there is programs an illitera illiteracy. not of the reading writing kind but with regard to health and wellness. we have four great years to take advantage to really help change that. we know spellman women will influence others and change the demographic, the trajectory for their health over their lifetime. >> no one can say the two of you are not working hard on these issues. thank you both. >> take me to your leader, whoever that might be. we'll try to figure it out. >> the one who is threatening to shut down the government is the president and his democratic allies. what they're basically saying, unless the budget funds o

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with congress in recess the constant boxing match between republicans and president obama moves outside the beltway and it is coming to you live from communities across america. in the blue corner you have president obama and the democrats. they're taking his message about jobs, health care and immigration reform directly to voters. we've seen appearances already in tennessee, florida, illinois and missouri. and we've got a tonight show interview coming up from the president. he is also getting help from organizing from america who sets up a series of events in phone banks all over the country along with a number of other have had a kagsy group. in the red corner, who is actually in the red corner? >> let me be clear. i don't trust the republicans. >> people are pushing this obamacare versus government shutdown. none of them that i know were here the last time we saw that movie. >> they're presiding over a dying party. >> my job in this process is to facilitate a discussion. >> when you have rand paul

actually comparing snowden to martin luther king or henry david authorizow, this is madness. >> the facilitative process. >> if he wants to cut spending, maybe she look at cutting the pork barrel spending that he brings home to kentucky. >> the king of bacon talking about bacon. >> if i come out and say i'm for this and i'm for that, all i'm doing is making my job harder. >> now the chaos in the red corner raises a question about who is actually fighting who? and who is even in charge in that corner? a recent pugh research study asked who the leader of the republican party is. the clear winner is that famous gop favorite, i don't know. second place is the great gop senator, nobody. followed by none other than other? and that's a problem heading into five week of recess where both sides are going to try to rally their bases in preparation for the battles to upcoming in the fall. for republicans, it is not just that there is not a clear

leader. there is not actually a clear message. joining me now are two former party chairs. former democratic pennsylvania governor ed rendell and michael steele. thank you, gentlemen. >> hey. so guys i'm going to put this question to both of you. in the poll i just mentioned, 97% of republicans said the party needs to change but there is not an agreement as to how. you have 40% want it to be more moderate and 54% want it to be more conservative. that breaks down even further on the issue of compromise. the poll finds among tea party voters, 53% think leaders have compromised too much with democrats compared to 22% of nontea party republicans. now, guys, you know, this is our business, right? when you have that kind of a split within the party, how do you come up with an effective message or a winning strategy? i'm going to start with you. michael steele. i think you have the tougher answer. >> it's not a tough answer.

you don't have an effective message nor a winning strategy. i think that's evidence what we've seen over the last few years. the level have infighting or back and forth is playing out the fact that since obama has been in very for some reason. i don't understand why. to wrap its head around a core driving message. i must admit, for a bright, shining two-year period, we were able to do that. we took the house and we grabbed governorships and state legislatures around an economic message, a discussion about health care, a discussion about the economy. symbolized at the idea of, you want to change the congress, fire pelosi. it gave people a direction and a focus. you don't have that now. so you have these emerging voices or leaders. sort of cracking up their own conversation.

>> it is a muddled mess. i wonder if part of the problem is that voters are getting tired of hearing all of the things, you know, that they're against or obstruction but not hearing ideas. our party has gone through this in the past. again, you think as the opposition party, you have to oppose everything that is coming at you. at some point you have to have positive ideas. >> sure. and i think the biggest problem is that there is a cohesive message coming from most republicans. that is, who are against anything that president obama is for. even if it is something that republicans have long supported like infrastructure development. and the public is getting tired of that. they're getting absolutely tired of that. even the public who doesn't think the president is the greatest president in history, they're getting tired of it. they want to see something get done. if i were in charge of the president. i would reach out and

say let's get something done. on the job bill, yeah. we can be for infrastructure. we can be for retraining dollars. let's get it together. stand next to the president. the president is a dead shia. he is never running again but your bran, the republican brand right now is a horribly negative divisive brand. >> michael, i guess here's what i see the challenge being to what governor rendell is saying. there is a cost to some republican leaders to even being seen as talking to the president. particularly because within your party, those tea party voters are the ones most likely to vote in primaries. i want to look at something that happened earlier this week with congressman martha roby with this tea party group. >> what i need from you is to know what you can do. you and your fellow noncolonel anymore colleagues in the lower house. what you can do to stop these communist tyrannical executive

orders laid down by this foreign born american hating communist despot. what can you do? we need to know. >> so thank you for your question. he said it loud enough that you all heard it. look, i can't emphasize the oversight part of my job enough. >> you know, michael, i don't think that she necessarily agrees with that gentleman. she did a pretty decent job of jumping to the, what she wanted to talk about. but the fact that she didn't challenge him, i think, is the story. these voters are a huge part of the party. they seem to be the most active. so it seem like there is a fear to challenge someone. sort of unlike what we saw during the 2008 campaign, where you had john mccain when

confronted with someone who called the president. he was willing to stand up. and it seems to me within your party, there is this tension between trying to please the tea party but then figuring out how to come back and get the nontea party republicans. >> i think part of it is, you have a lot of the congressional leaders looking over their shoulders. the tea party has, and this is something i was told on my way out the door. that they would very much engage at the state and local level in these congressional races going forward to put pressure on these guys. to be consistent in their messaging. to be consistent in the policies they support. i think looking over their shoulder, they have to figure out how do i begin to answer this question given how it was set up. they don't want to create a bigger story by challenging or pushing back. but they don't also want to make a big story about seeming to acquiesce. so she that i have had to her

oversight authority and trying to keep the president from implementing that kind of agenda. that's a very tough position for party officials to be in right now. and i agree with the notion that you said out there. they're going to have to challenge this if they're going to keep this party effective going into future elections. >> so governor rendell, on the one hand it seems like the challenge for the republicans heading into the fall is to get on the same page about something other than the fact they hate president obama and want to prevent anything, any idea that he has from coming to from igs. on the other side you have ofa. they've launched their truth team and other progressive groups. they'll be doing town hall events. trying to do everything they can to get more people to sign up as we head into the faull. there are again some critical deadlines. it still feels, you have poll that suggest 40% of americans don't even know if it is a law at this point. it feels like we're playing

catch-up. that seems like the democrats' goal over this next five weeks. >> i think so. i think the democrats will get a big boost. not by something we'll do. we're the beneficiary of the republicans consistently screwing up. i think the republicans are going to screw up the debt limit. i really believe they're headed in that direction because of fear of the tea party and primaries. they are going to shut down the government. they're going to make america its debt because they don't want to work out any sort reasonable and the right things to do. i think that is a disastrous policy. it may be good for an individual congress person. they may be able to hold on to their job in a primary. the message it sends nationally. the message it sends into swing districts. if i was running against a suburban republican congressman in philadelphia. i would say, congressman jones

is a good guy, folks. but as long as you keep electing him, the tea party will control the congress. so the only way you'll get the tea party out of the congress is to vote democrat. >> we're going to have to leave it there. good advice. thanks to the chairman. mike steele and ed rendell. be sure to follow us on facebook and twitter. coming up, we'll try to answer the age old question, what was he thinking? er every d♪ ♪ i'm a hard, hard worker and i'm working every day. ♪ ♪ i'm a hard, hard worker and i'm saving all my pay. ♪ small businesses get up earlier and stay later. and to help all that hard work pay off, membership brings out millions of us on small business saturday and every day to make shopping small huge. this is what membership is. this is what membership does.

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if you've been following this sexing drama following anthony weiner now running for mayor of new york, you know it has been another no good, very bad week. the underlying story is becoming a little too familiar. you have a man in a position of power. he has a great spouse, a great family. professional success. in other words, everything to lose. and he risks it all for a sexual dalliance. but why? from general petraeus to tiger woods to elliot spitzer, even

former governor arnold, what drives these men to take such incredibly stupid risks? well, here to help me analyze the psychology behind this destructive behavior, nbc news contributor and clinical professor, jeff guardeer and daily beast reporter. thank you for joining me. what is going on with these men? >> well, first they are damaged to begin with. having the great job, the great wife, all the money, doesn't fix with what's wrong inside. the danger factor of why these guys are doing this has a lot to do with the excitement that they get from it. because they're addicted to power. because they have the power. you have one, you have a regular person who may have a sexual addiction and then you have a super powerful person who has that sexual addiction. the super powerful person does not think he is going to get caught. so it makes the addiction even much worse. >> that's the thing. they do seem to act like they think they won't get caught.

there is data point after data point. the head of the cia got caught. what made anthony weiner think he would not get caught? >> it seems insane to us sane people programs. i think there is a catch me if you can element to these men. we see the same problems time after time. elections are getting buried under people's drama. i think there is an i'm king of the world, i'm going to be mayor, i'm president, i'm going to be president, let's see how far i can fall. >> here in new york there is a consequence to that. in the context of this election. there is sort of a question. each of these men certainly running for office kind of touches. will voters care or not? in this case i think they do. >> at this point i think everyone has a pretty strong opinion about anthony weiner. we have been deluged with "newsweek" after week. >> and pictures. >> but there was a point people thought it was just about the power. it was just about a guy who feels that he can get away with

this. i think people are starting to realize that an impulse control problem really is a problem. this is a mental health issue. and can you be mayor? i work mental health issues every day. so i don't discriminate. can you be mayor and not get the proper treatment, number one. and number two, even admit that this is not just about a mistake. this is really about an illness. >> are we saying that people can't separate out if they have that tendency in their private life to their professional life? >> well, they're not thinking. they're blurred. we have to give real power to mental health issues, to personality disorders. we indicate being ego centanic. the person doesn't even see what they're doing is as destructive. but there is still that element that the danger of it really enhances the sexuality and even wielding that power. >> so i'm going to leave with you a final question here. because i happen to notice, we don't see this problem with

women. all these cases that we're talking, women self-destruct in other ways. time and again it strikes me that each of these cases are men. not women. >> and i think it is not that women don't do terrible depraved things to their husbands and friends all the time. but there is this quality of hubris. this sort of shocking hubris that seem to be a distinctly male thing. >> it is a man's world. men feel they can do this. we have to look at the testosterone factor and has a lot to do with it men don't think when the testosterone is moving that way. >> another reason why women should rule the world if you ask me. thank you so much. that does it for me. thank you so much for joining us. don't forget to share your thoughts with us. find us on facebook or tweet us on msnbc disrupt. don't go anywhere. you have the ed show coming up next. it's the little things in life that make me smile. spending the day with my niece.

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good evening. welcome to "the ed show" live from minneapolis. it's 5:00 eastern. let's get to work. that town has been a petrie dish of everything the democrat party stands for. >> take him to detroit. >> no! not detroit! >> i love you, detroit. >> massive unions, massive pensions. >> yes, lavish pensions. on average $19,000 a year which detroit now says they will pay 10 cents on the dollar. >> when union membership goes down, so do middle class wages. >> then the unions came in. then the democratic machine came in. then the drugs came in. >> every politician who puts their hand on the bible and takes the oath of office has a duty to this city and to manufacturing in this country. >> it yields